The Fulcrum Story

Bob Gibbons and Tom Poteat first met in 1996 when each were working in downtown Manhattan as Financial Advisors. Bob was at Dean Witter (now Morgan Stanley) in the World Trade Center while Tom was at Oppenheimer in the World Financial Center. Nearly two decades later, they found themselves seated next to each other at Morgan Stanley’s Rockefeller Center Office in 2015. After a year of working next to each other, they realized that forming a partnership with their diverse skill sets would create a more meaningful and effective way to serve their clients. In 2016, they created the Fulcrum Group.

The Fulcrum Group works in partnership with their clients to build and sustain wealth over generations. Together with the families they serve, they create, execute, and monitor highly creative and dynamic financial plans that are customized to meet the goals and unique circumstances of every family.

Clients work with the Fulcrum Group for the peace of mind they instill as a result of their ability to listen and collaborate. They serve every aspect of their clients’ financial decisions, which includes college planning, retirement planning, estate planning, financing, corporate compensation plans, and tax planning.

The Fulcrum Group accomplishes results through extensive client contact to develop a deep understanding of all aspects of their clients’ lives with a focus on the People, Ideas, Organizations, Activities and Things that are most important to them. This understanding is the key element to their clients’ success.
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Working With You

At The Fulcrum New York Group at Morgan Stanley, we value loyalty to each other and to the individuals and families we serve every day. Helping our clients transition into the next stage of their lives after a major financial event is what we pride ourselves on. Through a variety of collaborative efforts, we are highly engaged in striving to create a better and brighter future for our clients.
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    Step 1: Discovery Call
    This in-depth conversation provides us with the opportunity to get to know you and your family, so that we may potentially develop strategies and customize the relationship to help best meet your needs.
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    Step 2: Receive Financial Statements
    After our Discovery Call, we will ask you to send us your Financial Statements. This will help us to determine your risk tolerance, analyze your current investment portfolio, develop an asset allocation strategy, and construct a tailored portfolio for you.
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    Step 3: Present Rough Draft of Financial Plan
    Every client is provided with a LifeView Financial Plan and Goal Analysis. Doing this allows the team to understand their clients' goals. If a client does not feel comfortable with this process, we would not be able to have a comprehensive understanding of their full financial picture and therefore cannot help them.
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    Step 4: Present Final Draft of Financial Plan
    After making any necessary changes to the initial version of your Financial Plan, we will present you with a final draft of your Financial Plan. If everything is acceptable to you, we will continue on to the next step of our process.
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    Step 5: Implementation of Financial Plan
    Once client goals are determined, we will be able to create and maintain a proper asset allocation for each client. After comprehensive due diligence and analysis of expected results across multiple market scenarios are performed, strategies are chosen from our expansive investment platform.
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    Step 6: Ongoing Assessment & Monitoring
    We will conduct ongoing reviews and comprehensive reporting to ensure that your strategy adapts to changing financial and family needs. We find that actively communicating at least 5-6 times per year with our clients is one of the keys to a good relationship.

Online Tools And Features Available To You

Morgan Stanley strives to ensure it serves clients on its technology platforms that are resilient, safe, efficient, and smart. As a part of our services, these resources are readily available to all of The Fulcrum New York Group's Clients. Learn more about each tool and feature to see how it could easily help to manage and secure your financial journey.

    Fulcrum's Key Services

    At The Fulcrum New York Group, we provide a wide array of services centered on your financial goals. We believe that identifying financial solutions begins with a solid understanding of each clients' situation, goals, objectives, and risk tolerance.

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      Our mission is to help your company elevate your workplace financial benefits—helping you to attract and retain top talent. Our end-to-end solutions support your company and employees at any stage of growth through a powerful combination of modern technology, insightful guidance, and dedicated service.

        Equity Solutions

        Equity ownership is a powerful motivator. Streamline equity management through our leading-edge technology and provide global audit-ready reporting and insights, alongside customizable participant experiences to engage and educate your employees on how to make the most of their benefits. Our global solutions support private and public companies at any stage of growth.

        • Equity Administration and Financial Reporting
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        Retirement

        For your employees, retirement is more than a date in the future—it's a milestone that takes time, hard work, and the right tools. Through our consultative process, we strive to assist with the management of your fiduciary responsibilities and risk, simplify plan management, and help you improve retirement readiness for your employees.

        • Defined Contribution Consulting
        • Solutions-Oriented Plans
        • Fiduciary Investment Oversight

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        Access a range of Nonqualified Deferred Compensation plan services or pick the ones that best fit your needs. We provide recordkeeping and plan design, portfolio construction services, and plan education for your executive talent. We help you determine the appropriate plan design and inform a funding strategy through a needs-based assessment and consultative approach.

        Services include:

        • Recordkeeping and Plan Design
        • Portfolio Construction
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        Our dedicated team provides concierge-level support for your executives' equity compensation plans, from 10b5-1 trading plans to form filing related to Rule 144 transactions, to access to wealth management and tax-optimization strategies, so helping them navigate their complex financial needs with greater confidence and certainty:

        • Equity Compensation Services
        • Equity Award Analysis
        • Specialized Solutions
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        Saving and Giving

        Saving and Giving benefits can make a real difference in your employees' lives as they can support the things that matter most to them—like saving for education and repaying student loans. Show that you are committed to your employees' priorities with leading-edge solutions that help them chart a path toward financial well-being.

        • College Savings
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        We offer Financial Wellness with every solution we provide. Through a powerful combination of education, digital tools and guidance, Financial Wellness is designed to address the unique needs of your employees and empower their financial journey at every stage. Give your employees the confidence to take charge of their finances.

        • Financial Education
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        • Financial Guidance

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      Meet The Fulcrum New York Group

      About Robert Gibbons

      Bob began his career as a Financial Advisor at Morgan Stanley over 30 years ago after graduating from the University of Richmond in Virginia. Along with fellow Morgan Stanley Financial Advisor, Tom Poteat, Bob co-founded the Fulcrum New York Group at Morgan Stanley to harness the full resources of the firm. As a Senior Portfolio Management Director and Family Wealth Advisor, Bob works with High-Net-Worth Families to develop, implement and monitor tailored investment strategies designed to achieve a client’s goals.

      Bob is married to his high school sweetheart and lives with his two children in his hometown in Connecticut. He has served as a coach in both little league baseball and youth soccer for his two children. He supports many local charities and is an active member of his local Exchange Club where he serves on the Grants and Donations Committee. Additionally, Bob is a strong supporter of the University of Richmond and serves on the Alumni Recruitment Committee, the College Fair Committee and previously served on the 25th Reunion Committee. Bob previously served as a Board Member and Ski Instructor for the Bart Adaptive Sport Center, an organization that teaches adults and children with disabilities to ski at both Bromley Mountain and Stratton Mountain in Vermont.
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      About Thomas G Poteat

      Tom started his financial career in 1996 at Dean Witter Trust, and soon became a financial Advisor at Oppenheimer.  At Oppenheimer, he was introduced to Managed Money or working with private asset managers.  He was recruited to Laidlaw Global Securities to create and build an asset management division. In April of 1999, Smith Barney (now Morgan Stanley) recruited Tom to improve and build upon their financial planning process. This has become the backbone to Tom’s planning process.

      His thorough understanding of corporate stock options along with retirement income planning enables him to build balanced portfolios by using a blend of many asset classes including stocks and bonds. Tom believes it is thrill to help corporate executives put together a tax efficient strategy to reduce exposure to concentrated stock positions.

      He is involved with the following organizations: NestUSA.org, Central Park, and GLAAD.  Tom formerly served on the advisory board of NestUSA.org which provides free software to improve English literacy for grades K-3.

      Tom earned his Bachelor’s of Science from College of Charleston with a minor in French.  In 1995, after college, he moved to NYC without a job, a place to live or ever visiting the city.  Essentially, he loaded up the U-Haul and moved to NYC to see the world.  While most people would view this as a big risk, Tom would argue that the real risk was not taking the risk.  New York City has been his personal MBA program in food, culture and work experience.

      Tom resides in Midtown Manhattan. He likes to spend his time reading science fiction, seeing plays, movies and enjoys Citi-biking around town.  In the summer, he plays softball with the Big Apple Softball League.

      “My relationships with clients over the years have been phenomenal… watching families grow up and helping them achieve their financial goals.  I enjoy helping and teaching clients about finance.  I have always encouraged my clients to ask questions no matter what, it is the best way to learn.  Our balance based approach has helped clients navigate and weather these financial storms.”  - Tom P.
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      About Irene Chuce

      Irene Chuce assists Financial Advisors and Clients with Administrative and Operational Support and is responsible for The Fulcrum New York Group's day-to-day business operations.

      Irene Chuce joined Morgan Stanley as a Client Service Associate in 2005. Fluent in Spanish and English, Irene assists financial advisors and clients with administrative, operational support, and digital engagement. In her free time, Irene enjoys spending time with her son, cooking, baking, reading, or watching films.

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      He earned his undergraduate degree from Siena University and received the Financial Planning Specialist® designation from the College for Financial Planning. Jake is originally Albany, NY and currently resides in Franklin Lakes, NJ.
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